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Beyond Our Ken (Hong Kong Version)

Customer Review of "Beyond Our Ken (Hong Kong Version)"

Average Customer Rating for this Edition: Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8.7 out of 10 (7)
Average Customer Rating for All Editions of this Product: Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8.7 out of 10 (15)

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numinair
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November 28, 2007

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are Two Disillusioned Fillies! Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8 out of 10
This is an interesting film - fun, physiological, gender questioning and in between kitsch and chin stroking thinking, by its deeper aspects. The DVD's cast and crew information credits director Pang Ho Cehung's own personal youth experiences (a bit like Korean director Hong, maybe?), regarding emotional relationships, and you have here an apparent story of betrayal of two women, and of their boyfriend Ken (Daniel Yu). The latter having the regularity and penchant to ditch his partners, followed by a quick web post of their love trysts onto explicit sites. Embarrassment City! So, women are scorned and discus boyfriend trouble (care of Shirley and Chan here), and sum up and evaluate stereotypical philandering male. One with horns, according to the cover, as well. Oh, dear.

Although comments have mentioned this film to be a quite dark movie, and its black artwork DVD cover does give the impression of a grim tale (in fact rock band Black Sabbath would normally have a cover like this) - the only real darker elements here, are the very cynical themes about women, men and relationships. Otherwise, this is a bit of a softie. Still, I was suggestively anticipating a tale of dissed and scorned females on a revenge pact, towards an arrogant and cynical philander - ending in fatal attraction type bloodiness. But this film is far from that idea as you can get. Its more a mixture of dumped girlfriends, sleuthed antics, fun filled and light drama (giggly females included), as Chan and Shirley learn about each others personalities (which seem oddly similar) after Chan (Gillian) an ex-girlfriend of Kens, tires to get help from Ken's present flame (Shirley), to delete Chan's dodgy tryst pictures off his computer. (Not a good combination - compromising positions, digital camera and naughty school boy shenanigans).

The film's theme is certainly a focus on the negative of romantic relationships. In fact Chan and Shirley seem to be the ones sharing more with each other, than with an ideal Ken (and where do men's feelings come into this? Or are they [we] just seen as thicky bystanders or something? Beware: if you're male and watch this movie, you're certainly going to feel short changed. I'm sure the Old English 'B' on the cover stands for something other than merely 'Beyond', regarding Ken's nature). The focus is more on C and S than Ken the Krafty, that is for sure - that pretty well makes this a female character study. Chan and Shirley (who sound like a stand up comedy act by name) end up having more mutual feelings of sympathy and support from each other, than what they ever get from Ken. But that's the hint in the title - that what these women desire in a man is beyond them, and what they seem to want is within each other. In fact in hindsight, a man seems to be an un-desirable here, and C and S seem to have a female infection version of misogyny. The film even suggests that Shirley and Chan could be the same person, as they share the same red hair streaks and mannerisms (and man requirements), but I could be looking too much, I suppose. Its certainly fun filled and humorous with the girls-wanting-to-have-fun spirit! Also quite psychological in concern of what loneliness can mean and the pursuit of happiness, especially in sharing with someone like minded, but who doesn't seem to gel with hopeful expectations. Gillian plays the part of an English teacher, who gets booted out of her teaching job, due to her working colleagues seeing her and Ken's unfortunate web site photo on a computer, and seeks out his present girlfriend Shirley, to help her get the photo deleted off his computer. This happens with story flashbacks as Chan recollects her experiences with Ken to Shirley in a restaurant, and warns her about his erratic nature. This gradually creates a bond ship between the women, as they pursue Ken's apartment to probe for the annoying digital picture.

This film is a bit of an under the bonnet job, and you do need to look further into it. By watching superficially, undertones can be missed and there are twists, turns of events that all come to the fore by its conclusion. Ken isn't quite what he seems. So an intellectual approach helps. You don't need to read Tolstoy's "War and Peace", however, but a perusal of the final text phrase extraction displayed at the film's end credits from this classic tome, should help shed more light on the matter. I wasn't overly okay with it all, though, as it concludes on too high a cynical note; that genders in relationships are reduced to nothing more than unfeeling and self indulgent males, alongside confused and manipulative females. Sigh, its partly true maybe, but this story is obsolete of real reasons of individual actions - the 'whys' and 'therefores', and only plays up to stereotypes and base human nature. But, as this film toys with the idea of loneliness in Chan, by projecting it as an additional psychological movie, it makes it interesting and the two female characters are more complex than you may first think.

Acting is good and Tao Hung is certainly the merited one here (worth seeing her in "Life Show"), but no doubt Gillian again is increasing her repertoire by appearing in constant varied roles, and she features in a bit of a thinker here and not merely another teen driven bubblegum popping film. Gillian, by who she is anyways, is why I like watching her play roles (and Charlene, too) and not because they have to be high ended thespians (which they could be one day!) And on a lighter note, Gill's red hair streak is nice. Very wisps of Ziggystardust! Poor Daniel, though, is given the outcast mode here, but as ever, he is always interesting to watch and varied.

DVD Content: You get an excellent set of additions here. "Making of" and "Director's Commentary" have removable subtitles, including English ones, and so if you want to know more about this film, you do get a full set of translations here. Interesting film - but if you escape the urge to become a Monk or Nun after watching this fun filled glob of cynicism, you are certainly made of sterner stuff than me!
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tingting
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November 22, 2006

ok Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8 out of 10
This movie isn't my kind of movie, it's too dark for me. Mainly watched it for Ah Gill and Daniel. Daniel is a player in this movie and Gillian is his ex, she wants revenge for posting pics of her online. She befriends his current girlfriend to seek revenge. The ending was a surprise to me.
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Fabrizio
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September 17, 2006

A look at modern relationships Customer Review Rated Bad 9 - 9 out of 10
I was expecting much from director Ping after that great, inventive comedy that was Men Suddenly in Black. And my expectations were totally satisfied.

Beyond Our Ken is a magnificently crafted movie about 2 girls, Shirley and Chan who teams up together against the arrogance and hypocrisy of Shirley's boyfriend Ken which happens to be Chan's ex boyfriend.

What will hit you the most about this movie is the extremely cynical and disillusioned look that gives to the modern relationships, all full of joy and sweet things but filled with lurking sadism ready to break out once the relationship is over. Sometimes that will to hurt each others when a relation is broken is justified.. but sometimes it isn't. Trust in a relationship, as this movie rightly observes, is not the simplest thing to attain, and sometime it's nearly impossible, despite the will of the partners..
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Anonymous

July 15, 2005

This customer review refers to Beyond Our Ken (DVD) (US Version)
Song name Customer Review Rated Bad 10 - 10 out of 10
Actually the name of the song is "Amandoti" which can be translated into English "loving you"
This is a Gianna Nannini's song, who is an Italian singer.
I have had the chance to saw the movie at the Far East Festival in Udine last month;the director and the actor who played the main character were both present. The director incidentaly listened this song in the Roman airport, afterwards he decided to include this song in the movie's soundtrack.
Hope this help,

Italian Girl
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Anonymous

May 5, 2005

The cover is good Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8 out of 10
Having read rave hk reviews about actress Gillian's newly found acting skills, as well as yet another congratulatory effort by director Pang, of which his previous hit movie Men Suddenly in Black came highly recommended from friends, I must say I had expectations.

Personally the highlights include the film's funky rhythm involving a criss-crossing of future and past scenes to iterate an unusual storyline, as well as an almost handheld DV cam approach completing the shooting - the inevitable component for producing low budget cult films but often overly mis-used by film directors.

On a relative basis, this is as good as it gets for a HK film. The acting was fulfilling and so was the attention to small details, the audience even manipulated to feel pity for the characters (until the end of course... hint). On a more critical note, certain sections proved formidable to understand using common sense. i.e. why does Wai-Hing (Gillian) choose to lose her teaching job, yet managed to keep cool enough to exact revenge, is beyond my understanding, beyond my ken.

Other small things might include the director's insistence on showing Xiao-Lan dropping the mobile phone into the water glass in the final version, despite most of this scene's association to Ken's accident having already been edited out and shown only in the hidden scenes on the DVD. This part was unnecessary, slightly exaggerated and again its real intention, beyond-my-ken.

To sum it up, this is a movie that you must purchase, watch and collect. It even integrates seamlessly small, hilarious scenes of black comedy that the young director was initially praised for in earlier films! My only wish is for future HK directors to try and carry a film through without small logical discrepancies. A director of Pang's imagination and calibre should be able to achieve this with ease.


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Anonymous

April 26, 2005

A nice surprise Customer Review Rated Bad 8 - 8 out of 10
This film came as a nice surprise. Although the premise seems quite uninspiring the film is a real delight, with the kind of character depth that you rarely find in Hong Kong movies these days. Its also beautifully shot and acted.

The ambience of the film recalls some of the earlier Wong Kar Wai movies, but without the tendency to idealise the physical appearance of the female protaganists (or maybe the budget didn't cater for zit cream). Overall it looks quite naturalistic, and the handheld camera work and its depiction of Hong Kong is excellent, never straying into tourist guide territory.

Tao Hung and Gillian Chung are both very good, and Daniel Wu manages to bring a make a three-dimensional character out of his limited screen time with a rather restricted role. This is one of the best HK dramas that I've seen in quite a while.
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Anonymous

April 19, 2005

This customer review refers to Beyond Our Ken (DVD) (US Version)
blahh Customer Review Rated Bad 9 - 9 out of 10
droooool..... the entire movie... the ending was pretty cool though.... very twisted... but it all made sense.... um...does anyone know the title to that french... german, some language i cant understand, song??
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Anonymous

April 2, 2005

This customer review refers to Beyond Our Ken (DVD) (US Version)
A Step Up Customer Review Rated Bad 9 - 9 out of 10
I was really surprised with Gil's acting in this one, she usually does Happy-ish and poorly comedic movies but this one can easily be compared to other twins member Charlene's role in Funeral March. I thought this movie was a great drama with somewhat artistic camera shots because by using the hand held shots, Pang has made it as if we were in the movie itself watching the story unfolding. Although I am a Twins fan I truly recommend this movie to anyone interested in a deep drama as this.
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Anonymous

March 10, 2005

Totally Unexpected Customer Review Rated Bad 10 - 10 out of 10
I was becoming more jaded by the years with the new generation of Chinese movies which has no style and real atmosphere. That is unless you pick the old school masters like WKW. This movie will go down as one of the great classics. Perfect choice of actors, great acting, and totally unexpected storyline. You just really feel the emotion that the characters portray. It's just a really good well thought out movie. Nothing less than a 10 star. I wouldn't be surprised if Hollywood makes their own version. Probably something from Tarantino.
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Anonymous

February 22, 2005

This customer review refers to Beyond Our Ken (DVD) (US Version)
Disappointed Customer Review Rated Bad 4 - 4 out of 10
From all of the other reviews, I thought this would be a great movie. To my dismay, this movie was very boring. Most of it didn't really make any sense. The twist in the end was quite unique but it doesn't make up for the poor plot of the rest of the movie. However, Gillian's acting did seem to improve a little bit.
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